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John Ashbery and Robert Lowell

Posted on Dec 24th, 2007 by WH : Integral Instigator WH
American poetry has always been seen by critics as pulled between two extremes. In the last half of the 19th century, it was Whitman and Dickinson. In the first half of the 20th century, it was Pound and Eliot on one side and William Carlos Williams on the other.

In this article that appeared in The Economist last month, the last half of the 2oth century falls within the polarity of John Ashbery and Robert Lowell. I'm not sure I agree with any of these polarities, but least so this one. Still, it's an interesting article.

JUST as Norman Mailer, John Updike and Philip Roth were at various times regarded as the greatest American novelist since the second world war, John Ashbery and Robert Lowell vied for the title of greatest American poet. Yet the two men could not be more different.

Lowell was a public figure who engaged with politics—in 1967 he marched shoulder-to-shoulder with Mailer in protest against the Vietnam war, as described in Mailer's novel “The Armies of the Night”. Lowell took on substantial themes and envisioned himself as a tragic, heroic figure, fighting against his own demons.

Mr Ashbery's verse, by contrast, is more beguilingly casual. In his hands, the making of a poem can feel like the tumbling of dice on a table top. Visible on the page is a delicately playful strewing of words, looking to engage with each other in a shyly puzzled fashion. And there is an element of Dada-like play in his unpredictability of address with its perpetual shifting of tones, as in:

“The lobster shouted how it was long ago
No pen mightier than this said the object
As though to ward off a step...”

Lowell, who died in 1977 at the age of 60, addressed the world head on. By contrast, Mr Ashbery, who celebrated his 80th birthday earlier this year, glances wryly at the world and its absurdities. In this edition of his later poems, a substantial gathering of verses selected from six volumes published over the past 20 years, his poetry does not so much consist of themes to be explored as comic routines to be improvised. He mocks the very idea of the gravity of poetry itself. His tone can be alarmingly inconsequential, as if the reader is there to be perpetually wrong-footed. He shifts easily from the elevated to the work-a-day. His poems are endlessly digressive and there are often echoes of other poets in his writings, though these always come lightly at the reader, as though they were scents on the breeze.

Lowell wrote in strict formal measures; some of his last books consisted of entire sequences of sonnets. Mr Ashbery can also be partial to particular forms of verse, though these tend to be of a fairly eccentric kind—the cento (a patchwork of other poets' works), for example, and the pantoum (a Malaysian form, said to have been introduced to 19th-century Europe by Victor Hugo). Often he writes in a free-flowing, conversational manner that depends for its success upon the fact that the ending of lines is untrammelled by any concern about whether or not they scan. Within many of his poems, there often seems to be a gently humorous antagonism between one stanza and the next. Mr Ashbery likes using similes in his poetry. This is often the poet's stock-in-trade, but he seems to single them out in order to send up the very idea of the simile in poetry, as in “Violets blossomed loudly/ like a swear word in an empty tank”.

Life, for Lowell, was a serious matter, just as he was a serious man. Mr Ashbery's approach, as evinced by his poetry, is more that of a gentle shrug of amused bewilderment. Unlike Lowell's, his poems are neither autobiographical nor confessional. He doesn't take himself that seriously. “Is all of life a tepid housewarming?” For a poet this is a tougher question to answer than you might think.

 

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3 days later
Savitri said

I agree that polarities are not especially helpful. Perhaps they're more a reflection of the flavour/state of criticism than anything else.

The Ashbery-Lowell comparison is interesting, though I wouldn't harden the contrast into a snapshot of American poetry of the time. That would be a gross oversimplification. I do find the author's take on John Ashbery surprising. The “tepid housewarming” comment makes me wonder if s/he's read the same poems I have? Ashbery is all about what I call “serious play”, or as he would put it, messing with “the experience of experience”. I love the way his poems immediately confront us with our own process of meaning-making, the machinations of ideation. Any art that does that is definitely not casual.

Islandman : Orchid root
8 days later
Islandman said

Comparisons are an odious but unavoidable tool of understanding.  I feel uncomfortable, though, with naming the poets of the age without the hindsight of a few more years. 

Eliot lived in the age of Eliot, because Eliot was, well, Eliot.  But without meaning to sound condescending to either poet, I ask myself where does Randall Jarrel or Denise Levertov fit in?  I think the mark of an age said to belong to a poet, is that his/her work influenced the work of other poets.  I must go and re-read Ashbery, a poet with whom I've had some difficulties, and think some more. 

Does anyone think that Billy Collins has any place in any future pantheon of Latter Day Poets? 

WH : Integral Instigator
8 days later
WH said

I'm not comfortable with the Ashbury thing, either.  I think it's Harold Bloom that has given him the stature he now holds among academics. I wonder where Ginsberg fits in, who is arguably more important than Ashbery? Or Levertov, or Plath? Or Robert Creeley, who has a had a huge influence on other poets.

Among “serious” poets and critics, Billy Collins is considered a hack, of little serious import. Still, he is popular among general readers because his work is easy to read and get on the first reading.

Peace,
Bill

Islandman : Orchid root
9 days later
Islandman said

Bill

It is because of his accessibility that Billy Collins will be influential in the post-post-modern age, which says something more about the age than his poems.  I believe that work that is “easy to read”, would include Homer, D. H. Lawrence, and even Yeats, not so?

  I think that the abstractions of the age are slowly giving away to what I call “plain language” poems, and I'd include Kenneth Koch and Frank O'Hara, and WS Merwin as other “plain language” poets.  The “instant” pleasures of poems are not necessarily jaded because of the rapidity of their comprehension. Dryden was understood on a first reading.  We might be on the cusp of a new age of poems, or maybe the end of all poetry?


What was it that Hemmingway said (was it Hemmingway?) “In the end the age was handed the sort of shit that it demanded”.

WH : Integral Instigator
10 days later
WH said

[Please keep in mind as you read this reply that I was taugh poetry in an academic context, and am, hence, a “poetry snob.”]

I really doubt that Collins will be influential. He might make a descent living from his books, as has Mary Oliver, but he will never be considered a serious poet by the academics, and they are still the arbitors of quality (and hence, who gets taught in colleges).

On the easy-to-read front, Yeats and Lawrence are easy to read (Yeats less so), but the full complexity of the poetry is not revealed in the first reading. Collins has little depth (to me) that requires a second or third reading.

Merwin is much more complex than Collins, as are Koch and O'Hara. Jack Gilbert might fall into this camp as well, but he is also a poet of depths that are deceivingly easy to read.

The post-modernists are still going strong and winning awards, if not readers. Jorie Graham has been annointed the next Ashbery. Ann Lauterbach is highly respected. Ron Silliman's blog is one of the more popular poet blogs on the web.

The Hemmingway quote, to me, explains the popularity of Collins. My hope is that poetry will not dumb itself down to the lowest level of its readers.

Peace,
Bill

16 days later
Savitri said

Hi boys. Hey Islandman, how bout that martini?

Perhaps I am less interested in any arbitration of seriousness in poetry than the fact that it persists. Even now. I am amazed by all the online zines and blogs devoted to it. Plenty shit, but it's just fun to see the amount of care and reverence given to the word. Syllable. Sound. Syntax.

The relevance of academe is what it is. Long may it loop. But boy that Jack Gilbert sure is a pinche chingón…

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